{"id":563693,"date":"2025-12-11T09:50:53","date_gmt":"2025-12-11T14:50:53","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/spacenews.com\/?p=563693"},"modified":"2025-12-11T13:24:08","modified_gmt":"2025-12-11T18:24:08","slug":"building-the-future-of-space-defense","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/spacenews.com\/building-the-future-of-space-defense\/","title":{"rendered":"Building the future of space defense"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Building the future of space defense\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/8qkqWIkAIM8?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>In this episode of Space Minds, host Mike Gruss sits down with Matt Maga\u00f1a, president of space, defense and national Security at Voyager Technologies, to explore one of the most consequential national security space stories of 2025: Golden Dome. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Maga\u00f1a lays out why this initiative represents a major inflection point for U.S. missile defense, requiring a truly integrated system-of-systems approach to track, target and defeat emerging threats such as hypersonic weapons.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Gruss and Maga\u00f1a discuss how the mission has outpaced traditional development cycles, demanding speed, scalability and commercial-style production across both space and weapons programs. Maga\u00f1a explains how Voyager is carving out a role not as an end-to-end prime contractor, but as a critical enabler \u2014 identifying technology gaps, investing in high-impact capabilities and helping partners scale.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>From next-generation propulsion systems and solid-rocket manufacturing to AI, machine learning and dual-use electronics, the conversation highlights the technologies that will shape Golden Dome&#8217;s future.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\">sponsored by<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-medium\"><a href=\"https:\/\/voyagertechnologies.com\/\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"45\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/spacenews.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Voyager-Horizontal-Dark-Blue.png?resize=300%2C45&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-564111\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/spacenews.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Voyager-Horizontal-Dark-Blue.png?resize=300%2C45&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/spacenews.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Voyager-Horizontal-Dark-Blue.png?resize=768%2C115&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/spacenews.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Voyager-Horizontal-Dark-Blue.png?resize=780%2C117&amp;ssl=1 780w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/spacenews.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Voyager-Horizontal-Dark-Blue.png?resize=400%2C60&amp;ssl=1 400w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/spacenews.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Voyager-Horizontal-Dark-Blue.png?resize=706%2C106&amp;ssl=1 706w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/spacenews.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Voyager-Horizontal-Dark-Blue.png?w=1001&amp;ssl=1 1001w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/spacenews.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Voyager-Horizontal-Dark-Blue-300x45.png?w=370&amp;ssl=1 370w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/voyagertechnologies.com\/starlab\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Starlab Space<\/a> is a US-led global joint venture and partner network that is ensuring a continued human presence in low-earth orbit. Led by Voyager Technologies, Starlab is the most advanced commercial space station under development, bringing together decades of ISS experience, Al-enabled design and global partnerships into a platform designed to scale science and industry in space. From manufacturing and life sciences to defense applications and international collaboration, Starlab is built for real work, real discovery and real continuity, providing a seamless transition from the International Space Station to the new commercial space station era.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-show-notes-and-transcript\">Show notes and transcript<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<details class=\"wp-block-details is-layout-flow wp-block-details-is-layout-flow\"><summary><br>Click here for Notes and Transcript<\/summary>\n<p><strong>Time Markers<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:00 \u2013 Episode introduction<br>00:54 &#8211; Guest introduction<br>01:09 &#8211; What Golden Dome looks like today<br>02:06 &#8211; Why hypersonics change the mission<br>02:56 &#8211;  System-of-Systems challenge<br>03:23 &#8211;  Voyager\u2019s role in Golden Dome<br>06:43 &#8211; Key tech to close capability gaps<br>08:59 &#8211;  What Voyager is waiting to hear from the Pentagon<br>10:00 &#8211; The role of AI\/ML in future missile defense<br>10:17 &#8211; Voyager acquisitions<br>10:43 &#8211; Future M&amp;A outlook<br>13:41 &#8211; The rise of dual-use technologies<br>16:36 &#8211; Who can move the fastest in 2026<br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Transcript \u2013 Matt Maga\u00f1a Conversation<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This transcript has been edited-for-clarity.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Mike Gruss<\/strong> \u2013 Matt, hello and welcome to the <em>Space Minds<\/em> Podcast. I&#8217;m Mike Gruss from <em>SpaceNews<\/em>, and today we&#8217;re joined by Matt Maga\u00f1a, who is the president of Defense and National Security at Voyager Technologies. Matt, thanks so much for joining us. If 2025 is defined by one national security space story, it has to be Golden Dome. So let&#8217;s start there. Tell me what this looks like to you and what you thought about when you first heard about this program.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Matt Maga\u00f1a<\/strong> \u2013 Well, first, you know, thanks for having me on. Always fun to talk about, you know, the organization, the business, and what&#8217;s happening in the industry. So super excited to be here. For me, I&#8217;ve been doing Golden Dome for 25 plus years. Golden Dome is really a strategic thrust to go drive the capability that we&#8217;ve been trying to put together for a very long time, but really a much more focused push into driving the capabilities that we need to actually do the mission, because the mission has changed over the years, and we just have not been able to keep pace with the amount of technology and scalability that is needed for Golden Dome.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Mike Gruss<\/strong> \u2013 So like hypersonics, for example.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Matt Maga\u00f1a<\/strong> \u2013 Hypersonic is a good example. I mean, we&#8217;ve known about them. We understand them. We&#8217;re understanding more every day. We&#8217;ve been doing our own development on testing capabilities here in the United States. And we know how much of a problem that it is, and going after that threat is not just a single program. It&#8217;s not like I can create a sensor in space and we have an answer. It means that I need to be able to have real, full domain awareness from sensing, tracking, left-of-launch, intercept. It&#8217;s a whole integrated plan that has to be done in order for us to go after these threats.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Mike Gruss<\/strong> \u2013 The beloved system of systems.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Matt Maga\u00f1a<\/strong> \u2013 System of systems. Yeah. When you say it that way, it seems audacious and super hard for us to go do, but I think when you break it down, that\u2019s what the government has been focused on\u2014how do you break down the problem, and then how do you go after each one of the sections so that we can tear it apart in order for us to put it all back together and actually run the mission that we need to do?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Mike Gruss<\/strong> \u2013 So how are you thinking about how Voyager fits into this? Because there\u2019s talk about lots of companies, and what\u2019s surprised me this year is how everyone says, \u201cHey, it\u2019s not just going to be me, it\u2019s going to be me and my competitor-mates, or dozens of my competitors, or hundreds of my competitors. It&#8217;s going to be a massive effort.\u201d So how are you thinking about Voyager\u2019s role here?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Matt Maga\u00f1a<\/strong> \u2013 Yeah, like I said, I&#8217;ve been doing this a long time. Sitting in a role where I got to see across intelligence, the DoD, commercial, civil, international\u2014especially when you look at the space side or the interceptor side\u2014there\u2019s no single company out there that\u2019s going to be able to go do these things. And even taking an individual company, it&#8217;s really hard for them to execute the programs because the objectives have changed. It&#8217;s not an unlimited amount of money and an unlimited amount of time. This means we have to move much faster. We have to think commercially, and at cost points that allow us to hit the mission.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And thinking about hypersonics\u2014you only get that threat if you have capability at scale, where it&#8217;s not just one sensor or one interceptor. You need multiple shots on goal, and that means producing them at a very, very high scale. So when we focused Voyager, it was: Where do we have dual-use capability? Where can we produce at scale? And what are the technologies where there are gaps today\u2014where innovative small companies fall into the valley of death and can\u2019t scale?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Our intent is <em>not<\/em> to be an end-to-end system. This is us being passionate about a mission that needs to get done. We&#8217;re going to help everybody close the gaps they have to get that mission done.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Mike Gruss<\/strong> \u2013 Let me ask two quick follow-ups: Do you know what some of those gap-closing technologies already are? And what does success look like here?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Matt Maga\u00f1a<\/strong> \u2013 For us, and really how I structured the business, are what I\u2019d call defense systems\u2014think the weapons side. For a long time we\u2019ve had weapons in production, but they\u2019re very expensive, and you need a multitude of capabilities to get these advanced threats, both tactical and strategic. The technology exists, but <em>scalable<\/em> technology does not.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A good example: we are on Next Generation Interceptor doing our roll control system. That\u2019s a new, innovative start-stop technology for solid-rocket propulsion. You can apply it to tactical or strategic weapons, final-stage maneuvering, precision control, roll control. Nobody today has that capability at a price point that scales to hundreds or thousands of units a year\u2014which is what you need.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Across all these areas\u2014strategic weapons, space-based interceptors, tactical systems\u2014there\u2019s just not enough scale. Our goal is to provide those enabling technologies at scale.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Mike Gruss<\/strong> \u2013 One more Golden Dome question: What are you waiting to hear next from the Pentagon or from General Gutlein?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Matt Maga\u00f1a<\/strong> \u2013 I think we&#8217;re well connected with what&#8217;s going on. Obviously it&#8217;s a process. With the government shutdown and budget timing, the money will be there. It&#8217;s a lot of money. A lot of conversations are happening on what&#8217;s coming first. Some things we\u2019re already moving out on because time is of the essence.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We&#8217;re focusing our design and capabilities now, not waiting. With propulsion systems, we know everybody needs them. On the tech side\u2014AI and ML will be critical for Golden Dome. That\u2019s an area where we\u2019re investing heavily. We\u2019ve acquired EMSI and LeoCloud, and put partnerships together with Palantir, Latent AI, and Infleqtion. We&#8217;re pushing hard because latency and speed of targeting are going to be major challenges.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Mike Gruss<\/strong> \u2013 Let\u2019s talk about acquisitions. Voyager announced several recently\u2014ExoTerra and Estes Energetics. How do these change what Voyager can offer?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Matt Maga\u00f1a<\/strong> \u2013 We IPO\u2019d in June, which enabled these acquisitions. We&#8217;ve closed six in the last 230 days. Estes and ExoTerra help close gaps in propulsion. There are very few manufacturers of solid propellant and motors. We need small motors and small batches of propellant for our control systems. Estes brings that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>They also bring chemical manufacturing capabilities that largely moved offshore over the last 10\u201315 years. We&#8217;ve received Title III funding to rebuild that capacity in the U.S. Estes is the only remaining U.S. manufacturer of black powder\u2014critical for propulsion systems. We\u2019re rebuilding their Louisiana factory.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Mike Gruss<\/strong> \u2013 So should we expect the same pace of M&amp;A in the next 230 days?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Matt Maga\u00f1a<\/strong> \u2013 You can expect more announcements. Not sure I can keep up <em>that<\/em> pace, but there are a lot of gaps out there. If a technology adds capability we can scale, we\u2019ll probably go after it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Mike Gruss<\/strong> \u2013 You mentioned dual-use technology earlier. It&#8217;s becoming a bigger conversation, especially in Europe and increasingly in the U.S. How are you thinking about dual-use in this moment?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Matt Maga\u00f1a<\/strong> \u2013 That\u2019s really what I designed the organization around. Electronics is a good example. Historically in space, electronics boxes were $10\u201315 million with 15-year missions. Now that curve has come way down\u2014automotive-grade parts, five-year missions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>On the weapons side, we\u2019re seeing a shift because of the volume of weapons needed and the sophistication required. The gap between space electronics and weapons electronics is narrowing. Our electronics business is truly dual-use\u2014half for satellite processors and radios, half for classified weapon systems.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It&#8217;s a great opportunity to scale and drive commonality, while absorbing cost across both domains.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Mike Gruss<\/strong> \u2013 Where does this conversation head in 2026?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Matt Maga\u00f1a<\/strong> \u2013 All that money will be flowing from the government. It will be about who can move fastest to get technology and capability into place. You\u2019ll see peaks and valleys\u2014some technologies accelerate faster than others. For us, dual-use helps drive scale. I see 2026 as a hockey-stick moment: If you&#8217;re not ready now, you&#8217;re behind. We\u2019ve been gearing up to make sure we&#8217;re ready to absorb that work.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Mike Gruss<\/strong> \u2013 Well, we&#8217;re out of time for today. Matt, thank you so much for joining us. And thanks to our listeners and viewers. A reminder that all episodes are available on your favorite podcast platforms and that our latest news is at SpaceNews.com.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Matt Maga\u00f1a<\/strong> \u2013 Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.<\/p>\n<\/details>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-about-space-minds\">About Space Minds<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Space Minds is a new audio and video podcast from SpaceNews that focuses on the inspiring leaders, technologies and exciting opportunities in space.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The weekly podcast features compelling interviews with scientists, founders and experts who love to talk about space, covers the news that has enthusiasts daydreaming, and engages with listeners. 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class='gform_description'><\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class='gform_required_legend'>&quot;<span class=\"gfield_required gfield_required_asterisk\">*<\/span>&quot; indicates required fields<\/p>\n                        <\/div><form method='post' enctype='multipart\/form-data'  id='gform_54'  action='\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/563693' data-formid='54' novalidate>\n                        <div class='gform-body gform_body'><div id='gform_fields_54' class='gform_fields top_label form_sublabel_below description_below validation_below'><div id=\"field_54_15\" class=\"gfield gfield--type-honeypot gform_validation_container field_sublabel_below gfield--has-description field_description_below field_validation_below gfield_visibility_visible\"  ><label class='gfield_label gform-field-label' for='input_54_15'>Name<\/label><div class='ginput_container'><input name='input_15' id='input_54_15' type='text' value='' autocomplete='new-password'\/><\/div><div class='gfield_description' id='gfield_description_54_15'>This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged.<\/div><\/div><fieldset id=\"field_54_2\" class=\"gfield gfield--type-name gfield--input-type-name gfield_contains_required field_sublabel_hidden_label gfield--no-description field_description_below field_validation_below gfield_visibility_visible\"  ><legend class='gfield_label gform-field-label gfield_label_before_complex' >Name<span class=\"gfield_required\"><span class=\"gfield_required gfield_required_asterisk\">*<\/span><\/span><\/legend><div class='ginput_complex ginput_container ginput_container--name no_prefix has_first_name no_middle_name has_last_name no_suffix gf_name_has_2 ginput_container_name gform-grid-row' id='input_54_2'>\n                            \n                            <span id='input_54_2_3_container' class='name_first gform-grid-col gform-grid-col--size-auto' >\n                                                    <input type='text' name='input_2.3' id='input_54_2_3' value=''   aria-required='true'   placeholder='First'  \/>\n                                                    <label for='input_54_2_3' class='gform-field-label gform-field-label--type-sub hidden_sub_label screen-reader-text'>First<\/label>\n                                                <\/span>\n                            \n                            <span id='input_54_2_6_container' class='name_last gform-grid-col gform-grid-col--size-auto' >\n                                                    <input type='text' name='input_2.6' id='input_54_2_6' value=''   aria-required='true'   placeholder='Last'  \/>\n                                                    <label for='input_54_2_6' class='gform-field-label gform-field-label--type-sub hidden_sub_label screen-reader-text'>Last<\/label>\n                                                <\/span>\n                            \n                        <\/div><\/fieldset><div id=\"field_54_1\" class=\"gfield gfield--type-email gfield--input-type-email gfield_contains_required field_sublabel_below gfield--no-description field_description_below field_validation_below gfield_visibility_visible\"  ><label class='gfield_label gform-field-label' for='input_54_1'>Email<span class=\"gfield_required\"><span class=\"gfield_required gfield_required_asterisk\">*<\/span><\/span><\/label><div class='ginput_container ginput_container_email'>\n                            <input name='input_1' id='input_54_1' type='email' value='' class='medium'    aria-required=\"true\" aria-invalid=\"false\"  \/>\n                        <\/div><\/div><div id=\"field_54_4\" class=\"gfield gfield--type-text gfield--input-type-text gfield_contains_required field_sublabel_below gfield--no-description field_description_below field_validation_below gfield_visibility_visible\"  ><label class='gfield_label gform-field-label' for='input_54_4'>Company<span class=\"gfield_required\"><span class=\"gfield_required gfield_required_asterisk\">*<\/span><\/span><\/label><div class='ginput_container ginput_container_text'><input name='input_4' id='input_54_4' type='text' value='' class='medium'    placeholder='Company' aria-required=\"true\" aria-invalid=\"false\"   \/><\/div><\/div><div id=\"field_54_6\" class=\"gfield gfield--type-text gfield--input-type-text gfield_contains_required field_sublabel_below gfield--no-description field_description_below field_validation_below gfield_visibility_visible\"  ><label class='gfield_label gform-field-label' for='input_54_6'>Title<span class=\"gfield_required\"><span class=\"gfield_required gfield_required_asterisk\">*<\/span><\/span><\/label><div class='ginput_container ginput_container_text'><input name='input_6' id='input_54_6' type='text' value='' class='medium'     aria-required=\"true\" aria-invalid=\"false\"   \/><\/div><\/div><div id=\"field_54_14\" class=\"gfield gfield--type-phone gfield--input-type-phone gfield--width-full field_sublabel_below gfield--no-description field_description_below field_validation_below gfield_visibility_visible\"  ><label class='gfield_label gform-field-label' for='input_54_14'>Phone<\/label><div class='ginput_container ginput_container_phone'><input name='input_14' id='input_54_14' type='tel' value='' class='large'    aria-invalid=\"false\"   \/><\/div><\/div><div id=\"field_54_12\" class=\"gfield gfield--type-text gfield--input-type-text gfield--width-full gfield_contains_required field_sublabel_below gfield--has-description field_description_below field_validation_below gfield_visibility_visible\"  ><label class='gfield_label gform-field-label' for='input_54_12'>State<span class=\"gfield_required\"><span class=\"gfield_required gfield_required_asterisk\">*<\/span><\/span><\/label><div class='ginput_container ginput_container_text'><input name='input_12' id='input_54_12' type='text' value='' class='medium'  aria-describedby=\"gfield_description_54_12\"   aria-required=\"true\" aria-invalid=\"false\"   \/><\/div><div class='gfield_description' id='gfield_description_54_12'>State \/ Province \/ Region<\/div><\/div><fieldset id=\"field_54_10\" class=\"gfield gfield--type-address gfield--input-type-address gfield_contains_required field_sublabel_below gfield--no-description field_description_below field_validation_below gfield_visibility_visible\"  ><legend class='gfield_label gform-field-label gfield_label_before_complex' >Country<span class=\"gfield_required\"><span class=\"gfield_required gfield_required_asterisk\">*<\/span><\/span><\/legend>    \n                    <div class='ginput_complex ginput_container has_country ginput_container_address gform-grid-row' id='input_54_10' >\n                        <input type='hidden' class='gform_hidden' name='input_10.4' id='input_54_10_4' value=''\/><span class='ginput_left address_country ginput_address_country gform-grid-col' id='input_54_10_6_container' >\n                                        <select name='input_10.6' id='input_54_10_6'   aria-required='true'    ><option value='' selected='selected'><\/option><option value='Afghanistan' >Afghanistan<\/option><option value='Albania' >Albania<\/option><option value='Algeria' >Algeria<\/option><option value='American Samoa' >American Samoa<\/option><option value='Andorra' >Andorra<\/option><option value='Angola' >Angola<\/option><option value='Anguilla' >Anguilla<\/option><option value='Antarctica' >Antarctica<\/option><option value='Antigua and Barbuda' >Antigua and Barbuda<\/option><option value='Argentina' >Argentina<\/option><option value='Armenia' >Armenia<\/option><option value='Aruba' >Aruba<\/option><option value='Australia' >Australia<\/option><option value='Austria' >Austria<\/option><option value='Azerbaijan' >Azerbaijan<\/option><option value='Bahamas' >Bahamas<\/option><option value='Bahrain' >Bahrain<\/option><option value='Bangladesh' >Bangladesh<\/option><option value='Barbados' >Barbados<\/option><option value='Belarus' >Belarus<\/option><option value='Belgium' >Belgium<\/option><option value='Belize' >Belize<\/option><option value='Benin' >Benin<\/option><option value='Bermuda' >Bermuda<\/option><option value='Bhutan' >Bhutan<\/option><option value='Bolivia' >Bolivia<\/option><option value='Bonaire, Sint Eustatius and Saba' >Bonaire, Sint Eustatius and Saba<\/option><option value='Bosnia and Herzegovina' >Bosnia and Herzegovina<\/option><option value='Botswana' >Botswana<\/option><option value='Bouvet Island' >Bouvet Island<\/option><option value='Brazil' >Brazil<\/option><option value='British Indian Ocean Territory' >British Indian Ocean Territory<\/option><option value='Brunei Darussalam' >Brunei Darussalam<\/option><option value='Bulgaria' >Bulgaria<\/option><option value='Burkina Faso' >Burkina Faso<\/option><option value='Burundi' >Burundi<\/option><option value='Cabo Verde' >Cabo Verde<\/option><option value='Cambodia' >Cambodia<\/option><option value='Cameroon' >Cameroon<\/option><option value='Canada' >Canada<\/option><option value='Cayman Islands' >Cayman Islands<\/option><option value='Central African Republic' >Central African Republic<\/option><option value='Chad' >Chad<\/option><option value='Chile' >Chile<\/option><option value='China' >China<\/option><option value='Christmas Island' >Christmas Island<\/option><option value='Cocos Islands' >Cocos Islands<\/option><option value='Colombia' >Colombia<\/option><option value='Comoros' >Comoros<\/option><option value='Congo' >Congo<\/option><option value='Congo, Democratic Republic of the' >Congo, Democratic Republic of the<\/option><option value='Cook Islands' >Cook Islands<\/option><option value='Costa Rica' >Costa Rica<\/option><option value='Croatia' >Croatia<\/option><option value='Cuba' >Cuba<\/option><option value='Cura\u00e7ao' >Cura\u00e7ao<\/option><option value='Cyprus' >Cyprus<\/option><option value='Czechia' >Czechia<\/option><option value='C\u00f4te d&#039;Ivoire' >C\u00f4te d&#039;Ivoire<\/option><option value='Denmark' >Denmark<\/option><option value='Djibouti' >Djibouti<\/option><option value='Dominica' >Dominica<\/option><option value='Dominican Republic' >Dominican Republic<\/option><option value='Ecuador' >Ecuador<\/option><option value='Egypt' >Egypt<\/option><option value='El Salvador' >El Salvador<\/option><option value='Equatorial Guinea' >Equatorial Guinea<\/option><option value='Eritrea' >Eritrea<\/option><option value='Estonia' >Estonia<\/option><option value='Eswatini' >Eswatini<\/option><option value='Ethiopia' >Ethiopia<\/option><option value='Falkland Islands' >Falkland Islands<\/option><option value='Faroe Islands' >Faroe Islands<\/option><option value='Fiji' >Fiji<\/option><option value='Finland' >Finland<\/option><option value='France' >France<\/option><option value='French Guiana' >French Guiana<\/option><option value='French Polynesia' >French Polynesia<\/option><option value='French Southern Territories' >French Southern Territories<\/option><option value='Gabon' >Gabon<\/option><option value='Gambia' >Gambia<\/option><option value='Georgia' >Georgia<\/option><option value='Germany' >Germany<\/option><option value='Ghana' >Ghana<\/option><option value='Gibraltar' >Gibraltar<\/option><option value='Greece' >Greece<\/option><option value='Greenland' >Greenland<\/option><option value='Grenada' >Grenada<\/option><option value='Guadeloupe' >Guadeloupe<\/option><option value='Guam' >Guam<\/option><option value='Guatemala' >Guatemala<\/option><option value='Guernsey' >Guernsey<\/option><option value='Guinea' >Guinea<\/option><option value='Guinea-Bissau' >Guinea-Bissau<\/option><option value='Guyana' >Guyana<\/option><option value='Haiti' >Haiti<\/option><option value='Heard Island and McDonald Islands' >Heard Island and McDonald Islands<\/option><option value='Holy See' >Holy See<\/option><option value='Honduras' >Honduras<\/option><option value='Hong Kong' >Hong Kong<\/option><option value='Hungary' >Hungary<\/option><option value='Iceland' >Iceland<\/option><option value='India' >India<\/option><option value='Indonesia' >Indonesia<\/option><option value='Iran' >Iran<\/option><option value='Iraq' >Iraq<\/option><option value='Ireland' >Ireland<\/option><option value='Isle of Man' >Isle of Man<\/option><option value='Israel' >Israel<\/option><option value='Italy' >Italy<\/option><option value='Jamaica' >Jamaica<\/option><option value='Japan' >Japan<\/option><option value='Jersey' >Jersey<\/option><option value='Jordan' >Jordan<\/option><option value='Kazakhstan' >Kazakhstan<\/option><option value='Kenya' >Kenya<\/option><option value='Kiribati' >Kiribati<\/option><option value='Korea, Democratic People&#039;s Republic of' >Korea, Democratic People&#039;s Republic of<\/option><option value='Korea, Republic of' >Korea, Republic of<\/option><option value='Kuwait' >Kuwait<\/option><option value='Kyrgyzstan' >Kyrgyzstan<\/option><option value='Lao People&#039;s Democratic Republic' >Lao People&#039;s Democratic Republic<\/option><option value='Latvia' >Latvia<\/option><option value='Lebanon' >Lebanon<\/option><option value='Lesotho' >Lesotho<\/option><option value='Liberia' >Liberia<\/option><option value='Libya' >Libya<\/option><option value='Liechtenstein' >Liechtenstein<\/option><option value='Lithuania' >Lithuania<\/option><option value='Luxembourg' >Luxembourg<\/option><option value='Macao' >Macao<\/option><option value='Madagascar' >Madagascar<\/option><option value='Malawi' >Malawi<\/option><option value='Malaysia' >Malaysia<\/option><option value='Maldives' >Maldives<\/option><option value='Mali' >Mali<\/option><option value='Malta' >Malta<\/option><option value='Marshall Islands' >Marshall Islands<\/option><option value='Martinique' >Martinique<\/option><option value='Mauritania' >Mauritania<\/option><option value='Mauritius' >Mauritius<\/option><option value='Mayotte' >Mayotte<\/option><option value='Mexico' >Mexico<\/option><option value='Micronesia' 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